Sunday, November 1, 2015

About Babies Under A Month Old

In response to an atheist named Chris Morton in a Facebook group called, "Atheists vs Theist Debates" I decided to make it a blog post because coverage on these questions aren't widely found on the internet.  As an amateur apologist I feel responsibility to do so.
The following comments will follow with my response.
》=My response
《=End of my response

"according to the bible, abortion is perfectly acceptable, and babies don't even count as babies until they are a month old, so the religious argument is a moot point.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23"

》 Instead of taking the Skeptics Annotated Bible website's word for it, and yes I know you copy/pasted this entire thing from it, please take time to actually read and understand what is being said in this passage of scripture in Exodus.  I'm using the World English Bible (WEB).

*[[Exo 21:22-23/WEB]]*  22 “If men fight and hurt a pregnant woman so that she gives birth prematurely, and yet no harm follows, he shall be surely fined as much as the woman’s husband demands and the judges allow. 23 But if any harm follows, then you must take life for life.

Let's take a look at what is going on here:
1. Men are fighting
2. They somehow accidentally hurt a pregnant lady
3. She gives birth PREMATURELY
4. And yet NO harm follows (to the premature baby)
5. The one who did it must pay a fine
6. But if ANY harm follows (to the premature baby)
7. Then you must take life for life (the man's life for the baby's)《

"The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16"

》 These two verses that you've presented are out of context in comparison to the case you're trying to build off of that babies aren't counted as people until they're a month old, or older.
*[[Lev 27:6]] WEB* If the person is from a month old to five years old, then your valuation shall be for a male five shekels of silver, and for a female your valuation shall be three shekels of silver.
*[[Num 3:15]] WEB* “Count the children of Levi by their fathers’ houses, by their families. You shall count every male from a month old and upward.”

Until very recently it was very common for a high proportion of babies to die within a month of their birth.

Even the Victorians commonly would not name their children for the first few days of their lives because it was so likely they would die.

These passages don't say that you don't count as a person, they are just saying that if the child is under a month old it is too young to have a value, and if they did not live past a month they should not bother recording their name.《

I hope this has helped your understanding, Chris, as well as anyone else reading this.
Thank you.

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